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Sgt Asada. Carne Type on June 11, 2012, 08:57:07 PM
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I saw the cover of the new Marine Corps Times and there is a story about recruits being held at the depot for medical reasons for ridiculous amounts of time. What I found interesting were the comments on the story. Some of the vets are saying these guys shouldn't recieve benefits and some are saying they should. I can relate to the kid that got pneumonia. I got that shit in boot (beat it before I was dropped) and in Sgt's Course. It fucking blows and theres really no way to prevent it. I cant imagine being in recruit status for a year and a half. Anyone here been medically held in boot? Would you have stayed for a year to earn the title or said Fuck this I'm done? Should they get benefits?

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/battle-rattle/2012/06/11/behind-the-cover-parris-island-purgatory/

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while I was there, I did see lots of fellow recruits stuck in MRP and PEB (Physical Eval Boards) for 12+ months. There were recruits who were there in limbo for months. Not only did they have no idea if or when (or in what status) they’d get off the island, but while you’re in MRP/EHP (Evaluation Holding Platoon), you still get treated like a recruit the whole time. You’re still dealing with Drill Instructors, you don’t have any access to the outside world, you’re still stuck writing paper letters home to update your family on your status and condition, etc. While every Marine has endured the peculiarities of the MCRD for 13 weeks, is it really fair to treat these recruits like recruits for 6, 8, 10, 12, 16+ months while the Marine Corps’ overly-bureaucratic system bends them over the couch with the green weenie?

These recruits are not trolling for benefits. Most sustain some sort of training injury or catch one of the nasty diseases that seem to perpetually live inside MCRD recruit barracks and 99% of them would give their left arm to get back into training, finish recruit training and graduate a Marine. Or at least be given the opportunity to go home. But being held in recruit status indefinitely — a perpetual limbo– is just cruel.

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They really used the term boot on the cover?
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Ummas on June 11, 2012, 09:19:11 PM
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They really used the term boot on the cover?

First thing I thought.

Anyways, don't know if they can, or if anyone has told them, but can't they just request mast and get this shit taken care of? Just a thought.


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cliffclimber on June 11, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
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The guide in my platoon had been aboard MCRD for like 6 months by the time we graduated. Dude was all sorts of fucked in the head, straight up institutionalized. When we went to the Padres game (west coast ftw ha) he honestly didn't know how to handle it just just sat there at attention the entire game except to scream at people for singing during the 7th inning stretch. I can't imagine what 18 months would do to somebody.
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Dakota_kid on June 11, 2012, 09:58:38 PM
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Anyways, don't know if they can, or if anyone has told them, but can't they just request mast and get this shit taken care of? Just a thought.

I was under the impression that only Marines rated to request mast.  Like recruits didn't have that right or whatever

TheKillerSpork on June 11, 2012, 10:04:56 PM
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I like how there's a add for an article about Tattoo removal on the cover.

But it does seem like an unfortunate situation. I mean it's not like they were there for fucking up or being mental... they were medically put there. Not to mention I'm sure after 500 days (as the article put it), I'd bet they were more than able to continue training.

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Redworm on June 11, 2012, 10:19:37 PM
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damn, I thought the guy I knew in MRP who'd been there for just under a year when I met him (they eventually found fucking bone cancer in his leg) rated the "grand old man of mcrd" moniker...but 16 goddamn months? they should at least be allowing them to call their families every day or something

I haven't read the article but I'm going to take an OJ and say femoral neck stress fracture

edit: I was wrong

although now I want to read about these "red teams". buddy of mine was on the mcnosc red team and the shit I've learned about how grossly insecure the average marine corps installation is frightens the ever living fuck out of me
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Woes_N_Toes on June 11, 2012, 10:51:04 PM
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When I was at recruit training I got some weird ass disease, spotted rocky mountain fever if I remember correctly,(I had a 103 degree temp, could hardly breathe, and the 3rd day of feeling like shit got some strange rash all over my body) and I went to a Naval hospital in Beaufort, luckily my SDI wasn't a complete douche and fought with the doctors to let me leave a day early because I was fine at that point.(I was there for a day and a half and if I would of stayed the extra day I would of been dropped) 

I just got put on light duty for a day after instead and I got fucked with for like a week after that but then others fucked up and my stay at the hospital was forgotten.  I would of been so pissed if I got dropped and probably lost all motivation to graduate.  I just couldn't imagine wanting to be a marine so bad that you would allow yourself to be treated like shit for 12+ months.

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since when are fevers/colds considered diseases?

actually just googled it... i wouldnt consider it a disease though... thats silly

aids/hiv are diseases  which lead to immune system malfunction and things like fevers, which kill.
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a fever is not a disease, a fever is a symptom of a disease. a cold is the result of an infectious virus, of course it's a disease
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I call bullshit on that. A MCRD cold/flu/crud is a freaking disease. I'm sure they are working on a medical diagnosis for it right not, cause that is some nasty shit.

On topic, I remember picking up a guy while we were in second phase. He had been on the depot for like 14 months or something to that effect. He was always breaking a leg or something, and just seemed like a frail old man by that point. Everyone just looked at him and was like, Hey are you okay buddy? Dude seemed weird and way off his rocker. It would not surprise me if he went straight from the quarter deck to the luny bin. That place messes people up. I couldn't have don't it

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since when are fevers/colds considered diseases?

actually just googled it... i wouldnt consider it a disease though... thats silly

aids/hiv are diseases  which lead to immune system malfunction and things like fevers, which kill.

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I call bullshit on that. A MCRD cold/flu/crud is a freaking disease. I'm sure they are working on a medical diagnosis for it right not, cause that is some nasty shit.

I used to think that the disease was caused by some guy getting sick and bringing it to MCRD. Now I'm pretty certain that it just lives in the squadbays and infects every platoon that comes in.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the DIs are the carriers. They're like Typhoid Mary. Except motivated.
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Copecwby20 on June 12, 2012, 06:18:15 AM
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since when are fevers/colds considered diseases?

actually just googled it... i wouldnt consider it a disease though... thats silly

aids/hiv are diseases  which lead to immune system malfunction and things like fevers, which kill.

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We had a guy get dropped to our platoon somewhere around A-Line/BWT. He came from MRP with a broken hip, and had been there from quite some time already. A day or two after he gets to us we have one of our "conditioning" humps. About 3/4 of the way through the kid can't keep up and keeps falling out. Our kill hat keeps pushing him along but it gets to the point that the kid can't even stand up. Well come to find out he re-fractured his hip and it was back to MRP. I have no idea if the poor guy ever graduated.

And yes, the recruit crud most certainly is a disease. That squad bay was like a tuberculosis ward about a month in. I'm pretty sure I had walking pneumonia but refused to go to medical and eventually got over it.
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Aesonicus on June 12, 2012, 06:22:39 AM
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Salty recruit right there, wonder if they walk around calling other recruits Boots...
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Copecwby20 on June 12, 2012, 06:27:15 AM
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We had a guy that was super hard core moto when we were there. I guess he had been to boot camp previously and gotten injured, placed in MRP and eventually sent home. Spent his time at home doing everything he could do to get back in and was eventually given enough waivers to come back. He comes back (with a "recon contract" no less) and makes it 7/8s of the way through or some shit and gets hurt and sent home again. That's gotta blow some serious dick hole. Going to boot camp twice and not making it either time. You know that kid is going to have a case of the "what could have beens" for the rest of his life.
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I got held back for three weeks for pneumonia, it wasn't too bad as far as MRP cases go, but some of those dudes with broken legs and fractures had been there a while and you could tell they were losing it. There was one super star that had been there for 12 months. I think by the 6 month mark, you should get the option to get out and do treatment at home.
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Semper Scrotus on June 12, 2012, 09:11:14 AM
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We always called it recruit aids... Because that shit never really went away. Treatable yes.. Curable no.
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Way back in the fall of 1989 we picked up a kid right before the rifle range who had been at MRP for 7 months already with a busted leg or some shit like that.  He got to qualify a second time since he had been dropped the day after qualifying the first round, for which he got all sorts of crap for going from a one point Expert to a just passed Marksman.  As soon as we got passed A-line(for you young folks that was when we shot the pistols, M203, M-60, etc. what you don't do until MCT now) he started to complain about his shoulder and got dropped again.  Saw him limping around with the MRP gimps again at breakfast the morning of our graduation....

Crap like this must hav been going on for ages, for some they just can't hack staying in a training plt. but are too dumb to just quit, for others they have legit injuries that keep them from continueing their dreams to be Marines and the system gives them the green wheenie keeping them in "Purgatory".  Usually hate the Marine Corps Times' drivel, but I hope that this got the wheels of the buracracy turning to get these folks back home.

Eddie Guns on June 12, 2012, 01:18:28 PM
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What happens to recruit at MRP? Are they treated like normal recruits the entire time they're there? Like, seriously, I would go bat shit insane if I had to deal with screaming "sir" at every little thing for a year. At a certain point, they should just fly you back home and have your recruiter check up on you. Then re-enter the cycle at a later date.

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What happens to recruit at MRP? Are they treated like normal recruits the entire time they're there? Like, seriously, I would go bat shit insane if I had to deal with screaming "sir" at every little thing for a year. At a certain point, they should just fly you back home and have your recruiter check up on you. Then re-enter the cycle at a later date.
It is toned down a little, think of the DIs at the Receiving Barracks, but it is still there.  To send home and recycle costs a lot of money in paperwork and travel money.  Plus, while you are home, are you back in DEP or are you on Convalescence Leave which requires the taxpayers to pay you out of the Corps budget and would you rate BAS/BEQ?  Cheaper to keep them in MRP until things are figured out.  They just need to learn to figure this stuff out a lot faster.

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We had a guy get dropped to our platoon somewhere around A-Line/BWT. He came from MRP with a broken hip, and had been there from quite some time already. A day or two after he gets to us we have one of our "conditioning" humps. About 3/4 of the way through the kid can't keep up and keeps falling out. Our kill hat keeps pushing him along but it gets to the point that the kid can't even stand up. Well come to find out he re-fractured his hip and it was back to MRP. I have no idea if the poor guy ever graduated.

And yes, the recruit crud most certainly is a disease. That squad bay was like a tuberculosis ward about a month in. I'm pretty sure I had walking pneumonia but refused to go to medical and eventually got over it.

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austinjking on June 12, 2012, 03:16:22 PM
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What happens to recruit at MRP? Are they treated like normal recruits the entire time they're there? Like, seriously, I would go bat shit insane if I had to deal with screaming "sir" at every little thing for a year. At a certain point, they should just fly you back home and have your recruiter check up on you. Then re-enter the cycle at a later date.

I only had a brief stay at MRP in San Diego, circa late 2008. It was a little more relaxed than the training companies, but only a little. It also depended on what MRP platoon you were in. I was in MRP 3, which was usually the pneumonia and tuberculosis guys, 1 and 2 were like stress fractures and broken bones, the guys who were staying for a while. During the day it was mostly bed rest, if you didn't have a medical appointment (every other day) you went to PT and did based on ability.
The reason they don't send recruits home if they were seriously broke is 1) they have to completely heal you before you can continue, and 2) they have to determine that there is no way, and gauge how to separate you, if you rate disability, etc.
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